Elidyr Llydanwyn ap Meirchion (abt. 500 - abt. 560)

Born about 0500 in South Rheged, Scotland

Ancestors

Husband of Gwawr ferch Brychan — married [date unknown] in Strathclyde, Wales

Descendants

Died about 0560 at about age 60 in Kingdom of Powys, Wales

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Biography

Reliable sources have not yet been found to confirm his existence.

Research Notes

Rheged

Elidir Lydenwyn is associated with Rheged, one of the kingdoms of the Hen Ogledd ("Old North"), the Brittonic-speaking region of what is now Northern England and southern Scotland, during the post-Roman era and Early Middle Ages, in the time span between, say, 500 and 750. Its inhabitants spoke Cumbric, a Brittonic dialect closely related to Old Welsh. The claimed ancestry of Rheged rulers traces back to Coel Hen. The names Elidir Lydanwyn and his son Llywarch Hen are associated with South Rheged, as reported in the Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd. ^[1]

South Rheged Ancestry

0790— Elidyr map Sandde map Alcwn map Tegid map Gwyar map Llywarch Hen is a direct descendant of the last British king of South Rheged. Elidyr's son, Gwriad, becomes king of Gwynedd in 815, still carrying the title, Heir to South Rheged. Physical control of the region, however, has long since fallen to Northumbria, although southern sections may be conquered by Mercia during its ascendancy around this time.^[2]

Fabricated Line of Descent

Boyer shows Elidir Lydenwyn in a line of descent going back to Coel Hen ("King Cole"). ^[3] Wolcott's different birth estimates are appended in parentheses. ^[4] Stewart Baldwin, however, states that the genealogy which purports to make Gwriad a direct male-line descendant of Llywarch Hen is almost certainly a late fabrication. ^[5]

1. Coel Hen or Coel Godebog, lived about the year 370 (345)
2. Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 400 (380)
3. Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 430 (415)
4. Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 470 (445).
5. Elidir Lydenwyn ap Merchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu was born say 500 (485),
6. Llywarch Hen ab Elidir Lydenwyn ap Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum was born say 530 (520)
7. Dwg ap Llywarch Hen ap Elidir Lydewyn ap Meirchion Gul was born say 570 (560).
8. Gwair ap Dwg ap Llywarch Hen ab Elidir Lydenwyn, born say 600
9. Tegid ap Gwair ap Dwg ap Llywarch Hen was born say 630
10. Alcwn ap Tegid ap Gwair ap Dwg, born say 670
11. Sandde ab Alcwn ap Tegid ap Gwair, born say 700 married Celeinion ferch Tudwal ab Anarawd Gwalch-Crwn ap Merfyn Mawr, who was King of Man and reputedly a descendant of Macsen Wledig (Roman Emperor Maximus, who died 388.
12. Elidir ap Sandde ab Alcwn ap Tegid, born say 730
13. Gwriad ab Elidir ap Sandde ab Alcwn, born say 770.

Birth and Parents

Elidir Lydenwyn ap Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum was born, say, 500. ^[6]

Name

Name: Elidyr "Llydanwyn", King of South Rheged /ap Meirchion/

Nickname: Llydanwyn ~ The Stout and Handsome

480 Birth

Date: 480

Place: South Rheged, Wales

489 Parents' Marriage

Husband: Elidir ap Meirchion

Wife: Gwawr verch Brychan

Child: Llywarch Hen ap Elidir

Marriage: 489, Brycheiniog, Breconshire, Wales

Husband: KING ELIDYR LLYDANWYN ap Meirchion

Wife: Gwawr Verch Brychan

Child: Llywarch Hen Ap Elidir Lydanwyn

Marriage: Abt 509, Strathclyde, Wales

599 Birth

Elidir of Man Prince
Prince Merchion (ap Gwrst) of Man
Born 0599
Son of Gwrst (Gwrst ap CENEU) Gwrst ap Man a

535 King of South Rheged

Title: King of South Rheged

Date: abt 535-560

Place: South Rheged, Wales

560 Death

Date: 560

Place: Powys, Wales

Ancestor of Gwenllian ferch Rhys

Carl Boyer has reported the pedigree of Gwenllian, wife of Morien ap Morgeneu as: Gwenllian ferch Rhys ap Marchan ap Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam ab Elgudy ap Gwrysnad ap Dwywg Lyth ap tegog ap Dwyfnerth ap Madog Madogion ap Mechydd ap Sandde ap llywarch Hen ap Elidir Lydanwyh ap Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu ap Coel Hen. Boyer provided no further information about any of these ancestors of Gwenllian. ^[7]

Sources

1. ↑ Wikipedia:Rheged Accessed 5 November 2023 jhd
2. ↑ Kingdoms of Caledonia and Ireland — Ynys Manau / Isle of Man
3. ↑ Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Coel Hen is #1 on page 63.
4. ↑ Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. Pedigree of the Ancient Lords of Ial Accessed 4 November 2023 jhd
5. ↑ Stewart Baldwin Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table Accessed 5 August 2022 jhd
6. ↑ Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Elidir Lydenwyn is #8 on page 64.
7. ↑ Carl Boyer III, Medieval Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author. Santa Clara, California, 2004. Morien, husband of Gwenllian, is #20 on Page 10.

See also:

• The History Files— Kingdoms of Caledonia and Ireland — Ynys Manau / Isle of Man
• Gaelic Kingdoms Outer Islands, Ynys Manau or Isle of Man
• Wolcott, Darrell, Pedigree of the Ancient Lords of Ial
• Earlt British Kingdoms

Acknowledgements

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